17 September 2008

Density escalates:

2 x 16 kg jerks: 4 sets of 4 minutes, 4 minutes breaks
32, 33, 33 reps. 96 total.

The debates regarding the only correct way continue. AKCers reject everything except long timed sets which seem to be the panacea for GS, fitness and what not. As always, there are couple of real jems in the debate. Below is IGX post by kev:

hi,your right in your approach. you need to find your level and and if working 10 one minute sets is how you begin thats fine. as time wears on you will know when to increase the duration. sets of all durations-shorter and longer than 10 have their place. main point is to have the ball in your hand and not on the floor. the central nervous system builds slowly and working on the nerve often fucks you up. it will mentally keep you from progressing. a mental/emotional raodblock so to speak.when i start anyone i let them put the ball down when they want to and pick it up when they want to. they are the ones lifting it. once we get past that intensity can be introduced but when they are ready. making it simple and effective is the key-you are finding what is simple and effective for you.kev

Another post, from Tom o'Bedlam:

this statement that sets are not sports training makes no sense to me. why is doing work intervals for time "sports" training, but doing work intervals for reps not sports training?
i would think that in training for a 10 min strength-endurance competition, an athlete would want to work a range of energy systems doing a mix of times and lifting paces. you'd do some training at a lower rate and longer duration than the competition and some training in intervals, be they time or reps. i would assume some interval training would be short and intense (says 1-2 mins at comp pace plus).
i don't understand why such variety isn't part of commieball training. that's the way athletes train for other "endurance" sports. what's so different about kgbballs?

I just cannot add anything. I wish more professional coaches were thinking like these guys.

5 comments:

Undercover escape artist said...

The AKC's timed set protocol is geared towards fitness.
GS is another story and needs sports specific training protocols.
For example, doing 1 arm LC is not gonna make you great at GS LC, but it is a starting point.
Variety is key as in every sport training.

Anonymous said...

Я сейчас не заморачиваюсь на времени. Просто считаю разы. У меня план на основе той методички от Wolf-TMB. Всеравно я ведь знаю свою скорость - примерно 12 раз в минуту с 16 и примерно 10 с 24, соответственно время примерно итак смогу сказать.
К примеру завтра мне предстоит 5 подходов по 15 раз рывок 24, потом два по 50 раз рывок 16. А смысл заботиться пока о времени - всеравно это явно меньше 10 минут.
Дикий Билл

Anonymous said...

i'm looking to start gs training could anyone give me a begginer type program listing exercises/sets/reps/rest times any help appriecated

thanks,

mack

Smet said...

Mack

Have a look at previous posts at this blog and see if you like anything.

Ron Ipock said...

Eugene, I haven't checked in for quite a while. I thought I would mention something. You are doing exactly what I am doing, and I train with AKCs. Four minutes is a long cycle for people like you and me. I'm not trying to stir anything up. I'm merely pointing out that any training controversies may reside in nothing more than nomenclature: we're doing the same thing but calling it different things